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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
		<link>http://www.cycle9.com/blog/environment/hilton-head-bike-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-34812</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 01:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a long-time Hilton Head resident and owner of Hilton Head Bikes To Go, I&#039;m happy to give info to anyone thinking of vacationing and biking in Hilton Head.  Contact me anytime!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a long-time Hilton Head resident and owner of Hilton Head Bikes To Go, I&#8217;m happy to give info to anyone thinking of vacationing and biking in Hilton Head.  Contact me anytime!</p>
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		<title>By: gleeton</title>
		<link>http://www.cycle9.com/blog/environment/hilton-head-bike-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-28376</link>
		<dc:creator>gleeton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 21:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We like the beaches and bike riding at sea pines. Are there any other areas on hilton head or for that matter in the south east region of US that can produce this type of great combination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We like the beaches and bike riding at sea pines. Are there any other areas on hilton head or for that matter in the south east region of US that can produce this type of great combination.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson Elison</title>
		<link>http://www.cycle9.com/blog/environment/hilton-head-bike-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-1106</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson Elison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a ton!  That was really helpful, I just Dugg your website url.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a ton!  That was really helpful, I just Dugg your website url.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the choice of bike paths or not depends on the area and anticipated use.  I live in Knoxville, TN and the bike paths that I would travel are not conducive to bike commuting, in my opinion.  Although substantial in length, the trails are not well maintained and the paving is pushed up from tree roots. As a result, you can&#039;t travel over around 10 mph or so without excessive jostling of yourself and your cargo.  Small bridges go over streams that flood frequently and cover the bridges with mud and debris.  The trails are also used frequently by walkers and runners so you need to slow down around them as well.  For commuting, you are better off on the roads here.  On the roads, I can travel 16-20 mph, which is significant when done every day. If I were only going occasionally, short distance, or for leisure, I&#039;d probably take the &quot;greenway&quot;.

I&#039;d definitely like to see more work go into making the &quot;for cars&quot; street-system more bike friendly.  Seems like a little extra money or attention would go a long way to making the roads more appropropriate for bikes.  I usually feel perfectly safe biking but the car folks would appreciate it if I had an extra three feet in the outside lane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the choice of bike paths or not depends on the area and anticipated use.  I live in Knoxville, TN and the bike paths that I would travel are not conducive to bike commuting, in my opinion.  Although substantial in length, the trails are not well maintained and the paving is pushed up from tree roots. As a result, you can&#8217;t travel over around 10 mph or so without excessive jostling of yourself and your cargo.  Small bridges go over streams that flood frequently and cover the bridges with mud and debris.  The trails are also used frequently by walkers and runners so you need to slow down around them as well.  For commuting, you are better off on the roads here.  On the roads, I can travel 16-20 mph, which is significant when done every day. If I were only going occasionally, short distance, or for leisure, I&#8217;d probably take the &#8220;greenway&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d definitely like to see more work go into making the &#8220;for cars&#8221; street-system more bike friendly.  Seems like a little extra money or attention would go a long way to making the roads more appropropriate for bikes.  I usually feel perfectly safe biking but the car folks would appreciate it if I had an extra three feet in the outside lane.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter VanWolvelaerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter VanWolvelaerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Hilton Head part time.  The beach, the bike paths and the use of bikes is my humble opinion is what makes this area fun and a healthy place.  Seeing the joy of people riding bikes to the beach, shopping for groceries and just taking a spin is what Hilton Head life is all about.  There are days that go by when my car is never used, I bike for almost all of my errands.  If gas where to go to $10.00 a gallon I would might not even notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Hilton Head part time.  The beach, the bike paths and the use of bikes is my humble opinion is what makes this area fun and a healthy place.  Seeing the joy of people riding bikes to the beach, shopping for groceries and just taking a spin is what Hilton Head life is all about.  There are days that go by when my car is never used, I bike for almost all of my errands.  If gas where to go to $10.00 a gallon I would might not even notice.</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
		<link>http://www.cycle9.com/blog/environment/hilton-head-bike-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that shared spaces and shared streets are a great solution for bike commuters and I regularly use them and encourage them. There is a whole philosophy that I think is very interesting that if you don&#039;t separate uses (e.g. cars go here, bikes go here, pedestrians go there), then it forces everyone to watch out for each other and eliminates the accidents that inevitably happen when one group assumes they have domination over their area.

However, the shared streets idea is not for everyone, and I firmly believe that having separated facilities will help more people bike. Many people ARE afraid of traffic and thus don&#039;t bike, and many people just don&#039;t have the biking skills necessary to take to the streets confidently (think beginning riders, children, etc). I also have had the pleasure of living in Madison, Wisconsin, which has done a good job of integrating bike paths into its transportation infrastructure. Sure, there are walkers and roller bladers on the bike paths sometimes, which slow a commuter down. At those times of day, it might be better to take the street. But there are some paths that were converted from old railroad track, that are incredible resources for bikers because they are direct and you can travel quite a distance on them to get where you need to go. Sure, you have to slow down for road crossings sometimes, but there are fewer of them than stopping at traffic lights and intersections on the streets. So, there are examples out there of how separated paths can be used IN ADDITION TO shared spaces, on-street bike lanes, and other resources to fulfill a transportation system. 

I think the key is to get decision makers to not consider one option or the other, but to look at it as different riders need different resources. Just as we need residential streets, arterials, and highways for cars, we need different types of resources for bikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that shared spaces and shared streets are a great solution for bike commuters and I regularly use them and encourage them. There is a whole philosophy that I think is very interesting that if you don&#8217;t separate uses (e.g. cars go here, bikes go here, pedestrians go there), then it forces everyone to watch out for each other and eliminates the accidents that inevitably happen when one group assumes they have domination over their area.</p>
<p>However, the shared streets idea is not for everyone, and I firmly believe that having separated facilities will help more people bike. Many people ARE afraid of traffic and thus don&#8217;t bike, and many people just don&#8217;t have the biking skills necessary to take to the streets confidently (think beginning riders, children, etc). I also have had the pleasure of living in Madison, Wisconsin, which has done a good job of integrating bike paths into its transportation infrastructure. Sure, there are walkers and roller bladers on the bike paths sometimes, which slow a commuter down. At those times of day, it might be better to take the street. But there are some paths that were converted from old railroad track, that are incredible resources for bikers because they are direct and you can travel quite a distance on them to get where you need to go. Sure, you have to slow down for road crossings sometimes, but there are fewer of them than stopping at traffic lights and intersections on the streets. So, there are examples out there of how separated paths can be used IN ADDITION TO shared spaces, on-street bike lanes, and other resources to fulfill a transportation system. </p>
<p>I think the key is to get decision makers to not consider one option or the other, but to look at it as different riders need different resources. Just as we need residential streets, arterials, and highways for cars, we need different types of resources for bikes.</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://www.cycle9.com/blog/environment/hilton-head-bike-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bike paths are a fantastic way for the uninitiated to get their start into bicycling, whether for transportation or recreation. And intelligently designed bike paths can even allow bicyclists to safely - and efficiently - negotiate heavily-used intersections. It sounds like the bike paths on HHI (which, a generation ago, went by another name and was wilderness), are neither intelligently designed nor comprehensive, which is unfortunate, but kudos to those elitist snobs for at least giving it a shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bike paths are a fantastic way for the uninitiated to get their start into bicycling, whether for transportation or recreation. And intelligently designed bike paths can even allow bicyclists to safely &#8211; and efficiently &#8211; negotiate heavily-used intersections. It sounds like the bike paths on HHI (which, a generation ago, went by another name and was wilderness), are neither intelligently designed nor comprehensive, which is unfortunate, but kudos to those elitist snobs for at least giving it a shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Roche</title>
		<link>http://www.cycle9.com/blog/environment/hilton-head-bike-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Roche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;there were some gaping holes in the infrastructure when it came to actually using the bike to go anywhere except the beach. This was especially true because if you had to go somewhere there wasn’t a bike path, the roads themselves were very busy, narrow, and populated by heavily traffic.&quot;

There&#039;s a phrase for this--&quot;transportation apartheid&quot;--and it&#039;s a fundamental flaw of the bikepath-ological model. The motivation for bikepaths is good: lots of folks claim to afraid to bike in traffic, and therefore to be inhibited from biking for transportation (i.e. to accomplish basic needs, e.g. commuting), so let&#039;s build a separate bike transportation system! Unfortunately we know from history that separate rarely tends to be equal. In the case of transportation, one tends to get a recreation-oriented system for bikes (they&#039;re for kids, right ?-), and a practical system for motor vehicles. This is great if you want to substitute bicycling for other forms of recreation, but sucks if you want to substitute human-powered vehicle miles traveled (VMTs) for greenhouse-gas producing VMTs. (The other problem here is that, more often, folks are actually more inhibited from biking by other factors--notably time, status, and comfort--but that&#039;s a separate question.)

Of course, the bikepathologists have a &quot;solution&quot; to this problem, too: build a separate and parallel system of bike lanes on the same rights of way as &quot;regular&quot; streets. The problem with that is, sooner or later, the smogmobiles want to turn right and the bikes want to turn left.

Hence the rise of the &quot;shared space&quot; or &quot;shared streets&quot; movement. Instead of building separate-but-inferior bike infrastructure, use the resources to make existing space more bikeable (and walkable, transit-able, etc). Simple ways to do this are to widen outer lanes and improve bike parking and street maintenance. Longer-term, develop for multiple transport modes, and make smogmobilers internalize some of the costs they currently externalize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there were some gaping holes in the infrastructure when it came to actually using the bike to go anywhere except the beach. This was especially true because if you had to go somewhere there wasn’t a bike path, the roads themselves were very busy, narrow, and populated by heavily traffic.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a phrase for this&#8211;&#8221;transportation apartheid&#8221;&#8211;and it&#8217;s a fundamental flaw of the bikepath-ological model. The motivation for bikepaths is good: lots of folks claim to afraid to bike in traffic, and therefore to be inhibited from biking for transportation (i.e. to accomplish basic needs, e.g. commuting), so let&#8217;s build a separate bike transportation system! Unfortunately we know from history that separate rarely tends to be equal. In the case of transportation, one tends to get a recreation-oriented system for bikes (they&#8217;re for kids, right ?-), and a practical system for motor vehicles. This is great if you want to substitute bicycling for other forms of recreation, but sucks if you want to substitute human-powered vehicle miles traveled (VMTs) for greenhouse-gas producing VMTs. (The other problem here is that, more often, folks are actually more inhibited from biking by other factors&#8211;notably time, status, and comfort&#8211;but that&#8217;s a separate question.)</p>
<p>Of course, the bikepathologists have a &#8220;solution&#8221; to this problem, too: build a separate and parallel system of bike lanes on the same rights of way as &#8220;regular&#8221; streets. The problem with that is, sooner or later, the smogmobiles want to turn right and the bikes want to turn left.</p>
<p>Hence the rise of the &#8220;shared space&#8221; or &#8220;shared streets&#8221; movement. Instead of building separate-but-inferior bike infrastructure, use the resources to make existing space more bikeable (and walkable, transit-able, etc). Simple ways to do this are to widen outer lanes and improve bike parking and street maintenance. Longer-term, develop for multiple transport modes, and make smogmobilers internalize some of the costs they currently externalize.</p>
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		<title>By: CP</title>
		<link>http://www.cycle9.com/blog/environment/hilton-head-bike-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>CP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got back from a winter trip to HH.  It was my first time there, even though I lived in South Carolina for over 10 years.  I was drawn there specifically by the bike path discussions I had read on several websites.  I came away with mixed feelings as well.  While I was extremely thrilled with the rides I took, I was slightly disturbed at the lack of crosswalks and the lack of courtesy of some local drivers.  Many barely stopped at red lights while making right turns.  I saw other riders have close calls after patiently waiting for the light to change, by cars turning not giving them the right of way. Very few drivers waived me across or acknowledged eye contact from me saying &quot;Hi, you see me, right?&quot;.  The drivers here at home are far more courteous at the ATT crossings in my opinion.  I feel like actual cross walks and lights would be a great addition in Hilton Head.  Trying to cross traffic to get to the other side of Hwy 278 is very much like playing Frogger in December...I cannot imagine how difficult it must be in season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got back from a winter trip to HH.  It was my first time there, even though I lived in South Carolina for over 10 years.  I was drawn there specifically by the bike path discussions I had read on several websites.  I came away with mixed feelings as well.  While I was extremely thrilled with the rides I took, I was slightly disturbed at the lack of crosswalks and the lack of courtesy of some local drivers.  Many barely stopped at red lights while making right turns.  I saw other riders have close calls after patiently waiting for the light to change, by cars turning not giving them the right of way. Very few drivers waived me across or acknowledged eye contact from me saying &#8220;Hi, you see me, right?&#8221;.  The drivers here at home are far more courteous at the ATT crossings in my opinion.  I feel like actual cross walks and lights would be a great addition in Hilton Head.  Trying to cross traffic to get to the other side of Hwy 278 is very much like playing Frogger in December&#8230;I cannot imagine how difficult it must be in season.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.cycle9.com/blog/environment/hilton-head-bike-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also went to HH looking for bicycle Nirvana and came away of two minds.

It took me an hour to find the public parking lot and then the beach access. But boy what a great beach and a wonderful system of bike paths. Just for fun, I went to the bike shops and showed off my electric bike to a very mixed reaction. I did get a couple of the owners to take it for spin, and as is usually the case, they came back with a big smile on their face!  I would recommend going in the &quot;shoulder&quot; season when I did. The weather was nice and the Holdiay Inn had a $59.00 weekday rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also went to HH looking for bicycle Nirvana and came away of two minds.</p>
<p>It took me an hour to find the public parking lot and then the beach access. But boy what a great beach and a wonderful system of bike paths. Just for fun, I went to the bike shops and showed off my electric bike to a very mixed reaction. I did get a couple of the owners to take it for spin, and as is usually the case, they came back with a big smile on their face!  I would recommend going in the &#8220;shoulder&#8221; season when I did. The weather was nice and the Holdiay Inn had a $59.00 weekday rate.</p>
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